Discussions on forums and newsgroups: What's the point? An example of my reaction to people who do not behave properly, on dpreview.com

Especially on the Fuji forum on dpreview.com there are several people who show a lot of autistic tendencies, and due in part to that reason the Fuji forum, where a guy called Letkeman and a few such others post a lot, is one of the worst places to discuss anything. That it is a very bad place to discuss is well known, that the reason is related to such troublemakers spoiling it all has not been identified by others. The other problems in discussions also take place and as a whole this makes the Fuji discussion forum on dpreview.com a place to avoid.

I posted the following on 2012-4-6:

jimr wrote:

Basically he took one current 2012 model ...the Canon SX260 camera and he compared it to the other outdated/discontinued 2011 cameras from Nikon and Sony and declared the tentative 2012 winner...(only one camera was the 2012 model and that was the tentative winner)...
The Panasonics were not tested at all because he good not get them..

Stefan V wrote:

Coyote_Cody wrote:

Had sx260hs for about a week, have taken lots of 'test' shots, my early thoughts (have 'borrowed' all 4 from Best Buy, new 30 day return policy is great! I no longer have any pride about returning stuff I do not like).

I'm wondering what happens to all these camera's that are returned with these policies? Are they sold as new after someone has played with them for a month?

Great policy for a holiday though! Book a holiday, pick up a fancy camera that suits the that specific holiday a day before you leave, take pictures with your free camera and return it after you came back.

Jmr: You reply but your reply is not a reply as it has no relation to what Stefan V writes about.

Your further comments that this comparison is worthless is moronic. The other camera's are not outdated, they are still available/for sale. Some people may want to know how their current camera compares to another too.

If you want current comparisons with all the latest models, good luck, you're not going to find them, not even on 'professional' review sites or magazines and because cameras are not all introduced or at least available from the same time, there is ALWAYS a comparison with newer and less new models. And not just that, those professional reviews are usually not direct comparisons and often they do not test all the compacts anyway.

Your incessant whining about 'this is not the latest model', not just in this thread is an example of why forums are mostly useless, because of people like you with your autistic/asperger type responses. Put on my blocked list, good riddance ;-)

If only dpr made it so that responses to blocked people would also not show I'd be happy ;-)


I posted the following comment on 13 April 2012 to counter the nonsense that another autistic type person spouts, not in reactions to what I wrote but to others, but such people annoy me, and not just me, such people fook-up forums. It's no wonder he was banned from dpreview, and it's a pity he has been let back in.

Kim Letkeman wrote:
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> Enir4 wrote:
> > Faintandfuzzy wrote:
> > >
> > > Kim Letkeman wrote:
> > > >
> > > > desinteresadamente wrote:
> > > > > After seeing Max Metz x10 images, and many other's i fell in love with x10 IQ. I'm afraid the new sensor will not deliver in this regard.What do you think?
> > > >
> > > > If those images are the standard to which you aspire, then I am sure that you have absolutely nothing to worry about.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > http://kimletkeman.blogspot.com
> > > >
> > >
> > > Kim, there's nothing wrong with Max's images. If you don't like the camera, fine. But sarcastic jabs at the photography of others in an attempt to make some kind of point really isn't warranted.
> > >
> > > We know you and Gary don't like the X10. Get over it and buy a camera you do like.
> >
> > Symptoms of the orbsessivecompulsive personality disorder syndrome will appear now and then. It is not contagious. :)
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> Symptoms of anal-retentive disorder appear now and again as well ... generally it starts with diagnosing a mental disorder in someone they dislike.

No it doesn't.. Being anal-retentive is not related to seeing a mental disorder in others, it only says something about how a person behaves himself, namely going into too much detail about anything, even where it doesn't matter. This is not related in any way to how such a person feels about others. If anything, you are the one being anal-retentive as you clearly show in your postings.

For anyone but people like you, the humour in what Enrique said is also clear: orbsessive instead of obsessive.

Enrique joked but it was of course serious as well. And he is right.

All of your postings that I read and what I saw on your website show a total lack of emotions. The response to the thead "If Carpenters talked like Camera Enthusiasts" is an extremely good example. That some of the analogies are bad is irrelevant. The point of that article was not to give a precise analysis, or precise translation into another field, but to show some of the problems in forums and the types of responses you get, in a funny way.

And one of the problems on forums, is people like you. obsessive-compulsive is probably the least of it, the lack of emotions and lack of understanding of lots of postings you reply to, makes me think autistic/asperger which fits nicely with obsessive-compulsive as such people often are like that.

This shows it completely:

> > Letkeman..chill out you dry balls!!....
> http://www.slang.ie/.../index.php?county=all&entry=Dry+Balls&letter=D
> That Irish idiom is just another boring (irony intended) ad hominem attack in lieu of proper debate.

It's not an ad-hominem attack, it's telling someone he should show some humour, but then again you don't because you can't, therefore you are indeed dry-balls.

You interpreting it as a ad-hominem attack is ludicrous to anyone who doesn't have problems seeing humour and who has the ability to understand emotions.

The total lack of understanding why people react the way they react to your postings is also a clear indication for autism/asperger.

If you think I'm ad-hominem attacking, then again you are mistaken, as you so often are, something that is clear to see from checking your postings. I'm simply stating facts, analysing how you behave. It's no wonder people have problems with you! And no wonder you were banned on dpr.

The funny thing is, that even though you react unemotionally, your responses to criticism in particular are not logical and make no sense. This is also something I saw a lot with other people who are similar to you in their responses, on various forums: A lack of emotions does not mean at all they do not use emotional arguments, on the contrary! It's interesting to see that I see this even with sociopaths, who give a lot of nonsensical badly argued responses. So the emotions being restricted to/for themselves in autists/aspergers/sociopaths don't result in more logical arguments, instead it results in nonsense arguments based on their own beliefs/views.


Btw., just a follow up to clarify: An emotional argument is an argument that comes from within based on someone's emotions instead of rational arguments, it need not show emotions!

Note that this guy talks about "it starts with diagnosing a mental disorder in someone they dislike", and he is actually the one to mention a mental disorder first. Mentioning orbsessive-compulsive or obsessive-compulsive is not meant to show someone has a mental disorder, but a hint that someone should stop whining and repeating stuff that is known. Due to not understanding people (so he doesn't understand emotions/humour embedded in writing) he twists this into a meaning that wasn't implied, and in doing so further shows his true self. That is amusing but also useful. You now know what he is, and you can ignore what he says.


I posted a final comment 2012-4-15 in a thread that was started as a joke (after I had kicked Letkeman's ass), but the problems on forums are far too serious to be treated as a joke:

DC Alford wrote:
> *Overthink* (ÌYŠvYȸjKk)
>
>
> Definitions:
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>
> verb
> To spend more time thinking about something than is necessary or productive
>
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> *Don't let it happen to you!!!!*
>
> Brought to you by your friends at the Fuji Forum public mental health advisory & recovery council.

Actually, I agree. You don't need to think much about this.

Just read some of my latest postings on the behaviour of people like Kim Letkeman, jimr and my posting with an overview of other problems such as: BS-artists, people who feel the need to defend an expensive purchase, etc.

This will save you time to think about it, but will instead allow you to recognize instantly what is going on. And then you can respond appropriately.

This is of course necessary because the Fuji discussion forum is one of the worst I have ever seen anywhere, not just on dpreview. That's not just my impression, it's been noted by others here multiple times how unbelievably unfriendly the atmosphere is.

People who are (or almost are) autists/aspergers cause a lot of these problems by responding in a stupid way that people who are less well versed in dissecting arguments can't properly reply to. In that sense the responses from Letkeman to criticism are good examples. And my response to him shows the problems he has: No ability to see humour, show humour, see emotions, show emotions. This annoys people because his reactions are not appropriate.

He's not the only one of course, on this forum there are more people acting that way than in other forums on dpr. It's a pity he's been unbanned by dpr... (I've put him on ignore, but ignore unfortunately does not hide responses to his posts. Please implement that dpr!).

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